Here is an example of a hand I found on a message board. In fact this particular player includes more detail than your normal player. I wanted to show how poker memory may have saved him his stack.
Regular memory is as follows:
$1-$2 obviously.
I'm bought in for $160, am sitting with about $250 behind.
Villian is a pretty tight Asian dude, about 40ish. He's been playing a decent number of hands, betting aggressively when does play, and as a result, hasn't shown down much in the 3 hours I've been there. When he has shown down, he's had it, and he's built his stack up to about $400 or so. He's got me covered.
I've been pretty much card dead and grinding for 3 hours when I look down at JhJs in middle position. Tight villian makes it $12 UTG+1 and gets one caller. I pop it up to $38 and he ponders it for a minute before calling. Other player folds.
This guy is not calling with any 2, so I'm putting him on maybe a mid pair he's set mining, 7's to Q's, or AK, AQ. That's pretty much my thought on his range.
Flop comes out 3-5-9 all spades. He bets out about $35 into about a $90 pot. Small bet, seems kinda weak to me. Maybe AK with the A of spades, and he wants to see a cheap turn. Maybe something like 10's and he's not sure where he's at.
I want to raise, but stack size is awkward now. I have about 210, I want to bet about the pot, try to price out any nut draw or maybe get value against 8-8, 10-10. Problem is, that would make the pot $225 and I'd have $100 behind. I have the J of spades as a re-draw if my read is way off and he hit a set, so screw it. I shove.
Spew? Awful play?
He thinks for about 10 minutes. Literally. So at this point I'm pretty sure I'm good. He didn't flop a flush, and maybe even if he hit a set he thinks I did with an AK type hand.
Results once I get some opinions.
I'm bought in for $160, am sitting with about $250 behind.
Villian is a pretty tight Asian dude, about 40ish. He's been playing a decent number of hands, betting aggressively when does play, and as a result, hasn't shown down much in the 3 hours I've been there. When he has shown down, he's had it, and he's built his stack up to about $400 or so. He's got me covered.
I've been pretty much card dead and grinding for 3 hours when I look down at JhJs in middle position. Tight villian makes it $12 UTG+1 and gets one caller. I pop it up to $38 and he ponders it for a minute before calling. Other player folds.
This guy is not calling with any 2, so I'm putting him on maybe a mid pair he's set mining, 7's to Q's, or AK, AQ. That's pretty much my thought on his range.
Flop comes out 3-5-9 all spades. He bets out about $35 into about a $90 pot. Small bet, seems kinda weak to me. Maybe AK with the A of spades, and he wants to see a cheap turn. Maybe something like 10's and he's not sure where he's at.
I want to raise, but stack size is awkward now. I have about 210, I want to bet about the pot, try to price out any nut draw or maybe get value against 8-8, 10-10. Problem is, that would make the pot $225 and I'd have $100 behind. I have the J of spades as a re-draw if my read is way off and he hit a set, so screw it. I shove.
Spew? Awful play?
He thinks for about 10 minutes. Literally. So at this point I'm pretty sure I'm good. He didn't flop a flush, and maybe even if he hit a set he thinks I did with an AK type hand.
Results once I get some opinions.
OK
Here is how the hand might look like when you use the poker memory system
$1-$2 obviously.
I'm bought in for $160, am sitting with about $250 behind.
I'm bought in for $160, am sitting with about $250 behind.
Villian is a pretty tight Asian dude, about 40ish. He's been playing a decent number of hands would be Villian has played 6 out of his last 50 hands giving me a VPIP of 12%. On a 10% hand range he is playing AA-99 any suited 10 or higher any unsuited Queen or higher. at 15% he is playing AA-88 any suited 10 or higher any jack or higher.
betting aggressively when does play, and as a result, hasn't shown down much in the 3 hours I've been there. When he has shown down, he's had it, and he's built his stack up to about $400 or so. He's got me covered. He has played qq kq and aks in position 4 and his cbet% is 66.66%
I've been pretty much card dead and grinding for 3 hours when I look down at JhJs in middle position. Tight villian makes it $12 UTG+1 and gets one caller. I have JJ and if I were to get all my money in with him which will most likely happen and I want to have a minimum mathematical win rate of 60% based on any 2 cards in his range, his range would have to be more than 20% for me to play. In this situation at best I am dominated or racing. Calling for a set would be the prudent move.
I pop it up to $38 and he ponders it for a minute before calling. Other player folds.
This guy is not calling with any 2, so I'm putting him on maybe a mid pair he's set mining, 7's to Q's, or AK, AQ. That's pretty much my thought on his range. (look at how much different the ranges are )
Flop comes out 3-5-9 all spades. He bets out about $35 into about a $90 pot. Small bet, seems kinda weak to me. Maybe AK with the A of spades, and he wants to see a cheap turn. Maybe something like 10's and he's not sure where he's at. Not much you can beat here which is why the reraise is an error any higher spade or overcard turn river you most likely lose. He either has a higher spade draw or a better hand, very unlikely he has anything else.
I want to raise, but stack size is awkward now. I have about 210, I want to bet about the pot, try to price out any nut draw or maybe get value against 8-8, 10-10. Problem is, that would make the pot $225 and I'd have $100 behind. I have the J of spades as a re-draw if my read is way off and he hit a set, so screw it. I shove. ( by making the re raise early without that key VPIP information he or she has now put themselves into a shove situation with their stack)
This was the result
All right. Thanks for the responses everyone.
I lost the hand when, after literally 10 minutes of thinking (he apologized for taking so long about 3 times), he flipped over KK with the K of spades.
I was pretty shocked. IMO, that's a 4 bet pre flop number one, and secondly, with the second nut draw, I think it's a snap call on my flop push.
After the hand I was wondering if I played it too fast, but after thinking about it for a day or two, I'm not sure given the information I had, that I would ever play it any different. ( had he had the VPIP information and the actual ranges and actual hands he played in that position he may have slowed down on this one )
Now I have made assumptions we do not know his actual range and other information. Like he doesn't 4 bet with KK but that could all be committed to memory.
Would you make a different decision if you had more information vs what he told you?
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